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Ramana Maharshi => The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi => Topic started by: Subramanian.R on June 12, 2009, 01:25:45 PM

Title: ANGER
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 12, 2009, 01:25:45 PM
On 25th January 1946, an Andhra youth arrived and told
Bhagavan about the vagaries of his senses to which Bhagavan
said: "All that is due to the mind.  Set it right."  "That is allright,
Swami.  But however much I try to reduce this anger, it comes
on again and again.  What shall I do?" further asked the poor

"Oh! Is that so, then get angry with that anger, it will be all
right," said Bhagavan.  Everyone in the Hall burst out laughing.
A person, who gets angry with everything in the world, if only
he introspects and enquires why he does not get angry with his anger itself, will be not really overcome all anger?"

That devotee, unable to understand anything, said: "That
is very good!  Should I abuse myself?"

"Yes indeed!  What they are abusing is your body, isn't it?
What greater enemy is there than this body, which is the
abode of anger and similar feelings?  It is necesay that we
ourselves should hate it.  Instead of that, when we are un-
guarded, if anybody abuses, we should know that they are
abusing the body, and crying it down.  What is the use of
counter-abuse?  Those who abuse us that way should be looked upon as our friends.  It is good for us to be among such people.  If you are among people who praise you, you get deceived," said Bhagavan Ramana.

(Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, Suri Nagamma,
dated 25th Jan 1946.)

Arunachala Siva.           
Title: Re: ANGER
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 12, 2009, 05:59:28 PM
Dear srkudai,

Yes. Practice alone helps.  Durvasa is known for his anger,
and due to this anger, he lost all his tapo-bala.  Even this
morning, I got angry for some 'genuine reasons' [according
to me].  It will go only with long practise. If you are a Witness,
why anger, every emotion will subside.  Bhagavan Ramana
showed anger very very rarely.  But it was only to correct
the erring devotees.  Such anger will not create any vasanas.
He was like a mirror and mirror does not retain the image
once the 'seer' leaves the mirror.

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: ANGER
Post by: matthias on June 12, 2009, 06:38:12 PM
in tantric practices, I just know the anuyoga method good enough to talk about:

here you instantly transform into a wrathfull god or goddess....this is important as the transformation is very alive, moving, burning full of wrath...this is on one hand important to loosen up the make it move more easy...the wrath and aliveness and energy is a symbol for the moving inherent in the mind...(in dzogchen our real nature is totally "still" and "moving"...there is no gap between these two)...

so you make this tantra to directly expirience the chaotic and moving nature of thoughts and ego..and to cut through the attachment to this...because most yogins gave aversion against anger...and this aversion is a dualistic energy that will create karma...

so anger is natural...the aversiona gainst anger is due to clinging and a notion of the mind

so anger is best thing to get rid of anger :)

Title: Re: ANGER
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 12, 2009, 06:44:41 PM
Dear matthias,

I understand your view.  Anger is a self-killing emotion.
The physicians say anger will increase one's blood pressure,
and heart beats.  But Bhagavan said that from the point of
body-mind consciousness.  It is the mind which gets angry.
Anger comes because someone tries to meddle with your
mind and body. 

In Madras, I found in MRF, one of the largest tyre manufacturing companies in whole of India, that they
have got a shouting room.  Any employee getting frustrated
with his boss or working conditions, is allowed to go into
that Shouting Room and shout at an invisible enemy.  After
about twenty minutes of shouting, the employee comes back
quite cool.  Perhaps Mammen Mappillai the Chairman of the
company knew this zen technique.

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: ANGER
Post by: matthias on June 12, 2009, 06:57:49 PM
shouting out anger is a way to work with a very low level of this energy and movement...

this tantra is working more in the subtile levels of the it is much closer to the root of the mind then simply shouting when you get angry...

tantra is different from something like the shouting room...shouting is more like a short catharsis(the potentiality of anger is not integrated)...but tantra is to integrate anger and other emotions into the contemplation of the nature of mind (self)...

and tantra has roots in india, oddiyana and is practiced in tibetan buddhism...zen has no tantric practices as far as I know
Title: Re: ANGER
Post by: matthias on June 13, 2009, 11:52:20 AM
dear udai

ignoring is a way to play arround with anger...why not use it as a door to contemplate the real essence of reality?

when anger arises it is the direct pointer to the self isnt it? and if you remain as self, why then do something with anger? like ignoring.....