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Ramana Maharshi => The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi => Topic started by: Subramanian.R on June 06, 2009, 03:17:41 PM

Title: Guru and God
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 06, 2009, 03:17:41 PM
Guru is even greater than God.  When one insults God,
Guru will save him.  But if one insults Guru, even God
cannot save him.  There are several devotees who prayed
only to Guru with utmost faith and got deliverence.  We
have seen the story of Appoothi Adigal, though a brahmin,
never did much of ritualistic prayers, but prayed only to
Tiru Navukkarasar and built food choultries and Vedapatasala
in the name of Tiru Navukkarasar.  Neelakanta Yazhpana,
an outcaste who could play yazh, an instrument like violin,
and went behind Tiru Jnana Sambandhar and made music
for his songs, got liberated with his service.  We know the
famous story of Pundalika who made Panduranga to wait
on a brick, while he was serving his parents, who were his
Gurus. Bhagavan Ramana quoted the story of a disciple of
Ramanuja.  He was heating up milk for Ramanuja, his guru
and Ramanuja called him to come see the procession of
Ranganatha, the local Narayana deity, which was coming
to the street.  The disciple said:  "Let Him come, I have got
work for my Guru."  He never turned up till the milk was
got ready!

(Source: Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar, entry dated
4th January 1946.)

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Guru and God
Post by: mmohan on June 06, 2009, 06:36:39 PM
But is not God, Guru and Self all one and the same? How can one be greater than the other?
Title: Re: Guru and God
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 06, 2009, 06:48:40 PM
Dear mmohan,

Yes they are the same.  But who can guide you in this world
from routine worldly life to bhava-bhakti and self enquiry?
Are we all like Tiru Jnana Sambandhar, who when at the age
of 3 sang on Siva, Siva and Uma appeared before him in
Sirkazhi?  We are poor mortals and we need a guide to take
us to god.  He must be 'seen' with your biological eyes till
your eye of wisdom opens within.  Take for example, Surya
Namaskar.  Considering Sun's power vis-a-vis earth, ancient
Rishis prayed to Sun.  But the Sun can be seen.  But Self and
God cannot be seen till you 'open your eyes' in the real sense.
So Guru is necessary for that.  He also guides you for self
realization but also tells you the dharma, the right practices
of life.  Hence Guru is a must for any devotee.  Sikhs have
got Guru lineage and so also Jains and Buddhists.  Christian
faith has got a Pope or the county Bishop.  Muslims have got
a Fakir/Moulvi in mosque.  All religions invariably have got Guru
concept. Even an atheist should have a teacher to convince
him that there is no god!  Guru is a must.  Bhagavan Ramana
had Arunachala Itself as His Guru and He has confirmed this
more than once.  Guru may be dualistic concept but this takes
you nondual realization.

Two things Bhagavan stressed which can be called Dualistic
practices. One is pradhkshina of Hill and the other is compassion towards and feeding others.

Arunachala Siva.