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Title: Tamil Sangam
Post by: karthikeyan M on April 22, 2009, 06:44:37 PM
What is Tamil Sangam ? who were the poets, were they Buddhists or Jains or Hindus?
Acccording the Thiruvanaikaval history Kocengannan existed earlier in 1st millennium BC, one of earlier Cholas kings and at the same time great temples were already existed that time. The question is did hindusim was in decline period with the rise of buddhist and jains. Were Pallavas in fact earlier hindu and later jains then to back to hindus.
Title: Re: Tamil Sangam
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 22, 2009, 07:05:16 PM
Dear karthikeyan. M

1. There were three Tamil Sanghams.  The first one was supposed
to be existing around 2nd Century BC.  The place was the then
capital of Pandya Kings, which is called South Madurai.  This is not
today's Madurai.  This was somewhere very much down below in the
south, which portion was called Lemuria in Greek stories.  There
was a tsunami and much of the deep southern Tamil Nadu was
engulfed by seas.  In this first Tamil Sangam, Siva and Muruga
themselves were supposed to be the leading poets in human forms.
There is an old Tamil poem which says:  "The God with matted locks
who burnt Tripura with his third eye, and Kumara, the god who pierced the mountain (Krouncha) with his spear, were the first Tamil

2. The second and third Tamil Sanghams were in Kapadapuram, which is again extinct and today's Madurai.  This was between 2nd
Century AD and 5th Century AD.

3. Tamil Nadu witnessed the rise of Buddhism and Jainism around
4th Century AD.  Whenever kings were supporting these faiths,
Siva temples were in disrepair.  No proper poojas were held.  When
Tiru Jnana Sambandhar took birth (he is again Skanda), he vanquished these faiths and restored Saivism to its pristine glory.
This was around 6th century.

4. The later kings including Pallavas, who ruled the northern Tamil
Nadu from Cuddalore to Madras, were also frequently switching
over their faiths and they were brought back to Saivism by some
miracles.  Saivism had no quarrel with Advaita, in fact it is Siva-
Sakti qualified non dualism.  Hence Sankara's avatara in 7th century
did not make much difference even though Advaita took roots slowly
due to its pre-eminent approach.  Vaishnavism and Saivism both thrived in Tamil Nadu.  There were quarreling over philosophy, and
supremacy of Siva over Narayana and vice versa,  but the temples were not affected.

5. Saivism spread to Sri Lanka during Saint Manikkavachagar's
time.  But this Saint's period is a historical mystery.  Many hold
a view that he lived around 9th century.  But I believe that he
lived before the great three, that is around 3rd Century AD. He
told pure Jnana Marga in his works, whereas the other three spoke
of bhakti marga even though they admitted Jnana Marga as the final destination.

For further details, if you want you may read "The rise of Tamil
literature" by Vaiyapuri Pillai.  The name in Tamil is Ilakkiya
Udhayam.  It is available in Saiva Siddhanta Book Publishing House,
Raja Annamalai Puram, Chennai.

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Tamil Sangam
Post by: karthikeyan M on April 23, 2009, 05:56:05 PM
Thanks for the information,
Regarding the book, is this kind of books are available in English

Title: Re: Tamil Sangam
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 23, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Dear karthikeyan. M

Some of them are available in English published by Annamalai
University, Chidambaram.  You may write to them.

Arunachala Siva.