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Ramana Maharshi => The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi => Topic started by: Subramanian.R on April 05, 2009, 12:59:25 PM

Title: Bhagavan and Tayumanavar
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 05, 2009, 12:59:25 PM
The two major competing systems of religious and philosphical
thoughts in South India have, for several centuries, been Vedanta
and Saiva Siddhanta.  The proponents of each school have been
criticizing the other in their writings for much of the last thousand
years.  [ There is a story of Sankara having a debate with Saiva
Siddhantis, in Tiruvidaimaruthur, near Kumabakonam.  Sankara
and the others went to Mahalingswami Temple of Tiruvidaimaruthur,
where Sankara chanted Vivekachoodamani and then asked Siva,
whether Advaitam is Satyam.  A hand from Sivalinga came out
and showed chinmudra and then the voice came thrice, Advaitam
is Satyam, Adviatam is Satyam, Advaitam is Satyam.]

Bhagavan Ramana tended to use the language and philosophical
structures of Vedanta when he answered visitors' questions.
Whereas Tayumanavar, in his poems, showed a strong Saiva Siddhanta influence. However, neither was dogmatic, about his system since both knew, from direct experience, that in the experience of the Self, all philosophical divisions and distinctions
are dissolved.

As Tayumanavar wrote,

Santhathamum enadhu seyal ninadhu seyal, yaan enum
    thanmai ninai anRi illa
Thanmaiayal veRu alen; Vedanta Siddhanta
     samarasa swabhavam idhuve

In nilai theLiya nan nekku urugi vadiya
     iyarkai thiru uLam ariume
In nilaiyile satru irukka enRal madamai
     hitachatru aga vandhu

Sindhai kudi koLLuthe; mala mayai karmam
     thirubumo?  thodu vazhakkai
Janmam varumo? enavum yosikkuthe manathu
Siraddhai enum VaLum udhavi

Bandham ara meijnana dheeramum thanthu enaip
Padhukatthu aruL seiyguvaai;
Parkkum idam engum neekkamara niRai ninRa

(Paripurananadam, Verse 5, Tamil. (full)


Since my own actions are forever your own actions,
and since the 'I' nature does not exist apart from you,
I am not different from you,
this is the state in which Vedanta and Siddhanta
   are harmonized.

(A part of the verse 5 of Paripuranandam of Tayumanavr.)

(Source: Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar, 17th June 1946.
  Mountain Path, Jayanti, 2005. An article by Robert Butler
  and others.)

(For Bhagavan Ramana's synthesis of the two apparently contradictory philosophies, can be found in Spiritual Instrucitons, I. Q 9 and 10)

Arunachala Siva.