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Title: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: caat on February 08, 2007, 02:39:28 AM
Recently I came across a book called "The Most Rapid and Direct Method To Eternal Bliss" by Michael Langford:
According to the author, the author is a follower of Sri Ramana Maharshi and became enlightened in early 2004. The methods described in his book are indeed very attractive. But I feel he is trying hard to promote his book: creating a bunch of not-quite-useful Amazon.com Listmania! Lists and putting his book as the first one in the lists, "boasting" his methods being superior than other sages' including Maharshi and so on. I don't mean to offend or attack someone who really is a realized person or a real sage. But I just don't feel quite comfortable to see such commercial-like acts happening. At least, I believe Sri Ramana Maharshi would not do someting like these. Any information about this author are welcome!
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: captmj on February 09, 2007, 02:10:58 AM
Hello Michael...

Just one question...does a enlightened person say that he/ she is enlightened...shud a enlightened person say I am enlightened..
are we so gullible...

Mohan
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: dedhed on February 12, 2007, 09:53:08 AM
Is this the same Micheal Langford who wrote the photography books?
I checked out the link, and there seems to be nothing new in anything he is saying, but not having read more than the excerpt, I would not try to pass any sort of judgment on it.  Still, when people talk of experiencing complete enlightenment, one should take it with a grain of salt.
Also, a thing to consider: Anyone with even a very partial awakening, one of the most noticeable things about them will be the warmth and intimacy they convey in everything they say and do. 
 
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: steveharnish on February 24, 2007, 11:48:44 PM
Michael Langford is the real thing but I invite you to verify this for yourself. Over the past decade he has devoted thousands of hours to helping people in online discussion groups focused on Ramana Maharshi, which is how I found out about him. He is not commercializing his material, as everything he has written is available freely on the web. He regards Ramana Maharshi as his guru and has done a tremendous service by pointing out a way to practice that is abundantly documented in the works of Ramana, illustrated further by Muruganar, Sadhu Om and Annamalami Swami, but which is missed by many commentators. An index to Michael Langford's writings can be found on a page titled Awareness Watching Awareness at this address: http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/ (http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/)

Best wishes to all.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: mhansen on February 26, 2007, 07:11:40 AM
Recently I came across a book called "The Most Rapid and Direct Method To Eternal Bliss" by Michael Langford:
According to the author, the author is a follower of Sri Ramana Maharshi and became enlightened in early 2004. The methods described in his book are indeed very attractive. But I feel he is trying hard to promote his book: creating a bunch of not-quite-useful Amazon.com Listmania! Lists and putting his book as the first one in the lists, "boasting" his methods being superior than other sages' including Maharshi and so on. I don't mean to offend or attack someone who really is a realized person or a real sage. But I just don't feel quite comfortable to see such commercial-like acts happening. At least, I believe Sri Ramana Maharshi would not do someting like these. Any information about this author are welcome!


Have you even read the book?  He never says "his methods" are anything other than what Maharshi and others have taught.  I never saw a hint of him claiming any method to be his own.



Regards,
Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Hameed on April 19, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
Recently I came across a book called "The Most Rapid and Direct Method To Eternal Bliss" by Michael Langford:
According to the author, the author is a follower of Sri Ramana Maharshi and became enlightened in early 2004. The methods described in his book are indeed very attractive. But I feel he is trying hard to promote his book: creating a bunch of not-quite-useful Amazon.com Listmania! Lists and putting his book as the first one in the lists, "boasting" his methods being superior than other sages' including Maharshi and so on. I don't mean to offend or attack someone who really is a realized person or a real sage. But I just don't feel quite comfortable to see such commercial-like acts happening. At least, I believe Sri Ramana Maharshi would not do someting like these. Any information about this author are welcome!

 
May be the instructions by the author are correct. However it is the vasanas who determine whether they work or not. If Michael really lost his body mind identification early 2004, awareness will not let him claim enlightenment.

So many times the deathexperience similar to Bhagavan's happened to me. I tried to respond like He did but fear always takes over and the whole thing ends up as a bad trip. This means vasanas are still active. It is all not in our hands

Greetings

Hameed
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Hameed on April 19, 2007, 12:29:11 PM
Michael Langford is the real thing but I invite you to verify this for yourself. Over the past decade he has devoted thousands of hours to helping people in online discussion groups focused on Ramana Maharshi, which is how I found out about him. He is not commercializing his material, as everything he has written is available freely on the web. He regards Ramana Maharshi as his guru and has done a tremendous service by pointing out a way to practice that is abundantly documented in the works of Ramana, illustrated further by Muruganar, Sadhu Om and Annamalami Swami, but which is missed by many commentators. An index to Michael Langford's writings can be found on a page titled Awareness Watching Awareness at this address: http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/ (http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/)

Best wishes to all.

Do not take these statement like "Ramana is my guru" for granted. Such statements have as much value as people to whom Jesus is the real thing or Muhammed is the real thing. Michael just made a projection of Ramana and is thus guided by his own creation. Probably this Ramana told him he is enlightened. ;D

Greetings

Hameed
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: yamouna on April 26, 2007, 07:19:15 AM
there is a saying in tamil which goes like this   VINDAR KANDATHILLAI,KANDAR VINDATHILLAI which means one WHO SAYS he got enlightenment  HAS NOT GOT IT,one who HAS GOT enlightenment  DOES NOT SAY IT.

Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: captmj on April 27, 2007, 12:27:37 AM
Bravo ...Yam

Somebody asked Swami Dayanand....how can you define truth... bcos if truth is going to defined then it will be thru words which are limited .....words are limited ..understanding is limited..
Any definition will have a negation , an opposite view point...
Dayanandaji said..."something which cannot be negated is truth"....

Mohan
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: blissboy on May 09, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
I have recently found his book and love it!!!

I am honestly concerned about his ego, I mean he says stuff like

"That secret and how to break free of that ancient human trap
is taught in the book "The Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss"....

For human consciousness to be transformed
a new and effective solution must be introduced.
A new and effective solution has been introduced.
You can read about the new and effective solution
in the book
"The Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss"

Then his amazon section says "This is the book that started a spiritual revolution"

I wonder.... I mean his book touches me deeply.



Anyway I am wondering his "loving all" method is something he made up or got from Ramana.

peace,

BB
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Hameed on May 09, 2007, 11:23:45 AM
I have recently found his book and love it!!!

I am honestly concerned about his ego, I mean he says stuff like

"That secret and how to break free of that ancient human trap
is taught in the book "The Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss"....

For human consciousness to be transformed
a new and effective solution must be introduced.
A new and effective solution has been introduced.
You can read about the new and effective solution
in the book
"The Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss"

Then his amazon section says "This is the book that started a spiritual revolution"

I wonder.... I mean his book touches me deeply.



Anyway I am wondering his "loving all" method is something he made up or got from Ramana.

peace,

BB
I suggest you inquire, "Who is touched so deeply by this book?

Some 5-6 years ago, when I read books by Papaji, Balsekar and teachers like them, I was touched so deeply. Everything became clear. I felt free. I felt unburdened. Till I realized it was all Ego that was so touched. Ego had become the knower!
Ego told me, take a seat and rest! You are already what you looking for. In other words, "abide in Ego".

Have a good Day BB

Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: blissboy on May 09, 2007, 11:31:16 PM
"I suggest you inquire, "Who is touched so deeply by this book?"

Good question-

When I ask that question, there is just an experience of spaciousness.



That is so great that you found freedom from reading some books!




Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: mick hutchinson on May 14, 2007, 03:42:22 PM
Hiya blissboy
I think that experience of spaciousness might be a positive move upwards [metaphor].
If everything is the Self, the whole percieved world is a picture within us ,a picture made by the mind out of sense impressions, then this sense of spaciuosness could be an the begining of an awareness of the Self.
The Self is the Universe ,is All of everything.All that we ever experience is the Self. Vast ,eternal, all pervading. really all we experience is the Self.
 I went upstairs and got the book "Ramana mahrishi and the path of Self Knowledge" I opened it more or less randomly and here is where it opened!!! This is what it says!!!
Page 99 i
instructions to FH Humpries.
   H. Master can I help the world?
Bh.Help yourself and you will help the world.
H. I wish to help the world. Shall I not be helpful?
Bh. Yes Helping yourself you  help the world.You are in the world ,you are the world.You are not different from the world,nor is the world different from you.
H. [aftre a pause] Master can I perform miiracals as Sri Krisna and Jesus did before ?
Bh .Did any of them, when he performed them,feel it was he who was performing them?
H. No Master.
  Ramana says YOU ARE THE WORLD!
Elsewhere he says the Self is the screen upon which the picture of the world is projected!
He says that the seer of the world ,the Aham Vritti [ego] is also on the screen.
So maybe your experience of spaciousness is the beginning of an expansiion of consciousness
Peace
Mick
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Hameed on May 14, 2007, 04:42:33 PM
Bravo ...Yam

Somebody asked Swami Dayanand....how can you define truth... bcos if truth is going to defined then it will be thru words which are limited .....words are limited ..understanding is limited..
Any definition will have a negation , an opposite view point...
Dayanandaji said..."something which cannot be negated is truth"....

Mohan

Captmj, ask Swami Dayanand whether he he thinks there exists a concept in this creation that cannot be negated.
As far as I know any concept can be broken by a person who act from awareness.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Beloved Abstract on May 23, 2007, 09:28:42 PM
to the unenlightened there is a difference between enlightened and unenlightened , to the enlightened there is no difference .....
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 25, 2008, 06:30:09 PM
Deat caat, I read your original letter on Michael Langford and views
of others.  I went through the link and read the entire "quick-fixes".
But I did not read certain chapters which he says that one should
read 3 times etc., I read all of them only once.  I am not in judgement
whether he is realized or not.  But his writings are re-phrasing and
para-phrasing of Bhagavan's thoughts and books by Him and on Him.
Bhagavan is like Brahma Sutram.  There can be any number of
explanations/elaborations right from Sankara's to modern days.  I
am still in favour of reading Ramansramam's books of Bhagavan,
than any other thing, which can only be redrafts.   
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: nonduel on August 07, 2008, 09:26:12 PM
I have re-read his web site (albigen.com) and I haven't read anything that is contrary to the teachings of Sri Ramana, Sri Sadhu Om, Sri Nisargadatta. In fact, I am rather impressed with all the informations available, and all with their references.

I have gone through many references  from "Guru Vachaka Kovai" and he does strike a point about "awareness watching awareness". The most important thing is that he he makes a clear link with the teaching of those great Sages and the meaning, interpretation exposed on his site. It is very helpfull for english speaking Sadhakas, who do not speak Tamil for example.

I have the same gratitude for Sri Sadhu Om who wrote three books on "The Path of Sri Ramana", which so clearly explains Sri Ramana's teaching in a comprehensive way, easily understood.

All the info is also freely available on his web sites.

I have yet to be convinced that he is wrong, or that he wrongly interpret and expose the teachings of these Sages. As for the fact that he wrote that after two years the (his) ego was destroyed, I honestly do not react negatively to this. Although all the Sages never clearly stated that they were a Jnani.

No, I have absolutely no link with him in any way. Just expressing my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 13, 2008, 02:30:33 PM
Dear nonduel,  I have not said that Michael Langford has said
anything contrary to what Bhagavan said.  I merely said that
he is rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's teachings, as
many others have done.  In this context,  David Godman,
Sri Sadhu Om have also elaborated on Bhagavan, but with
new insights.  I have already written in some other post,
that, Who am I? is alone adequate for any seeker.  David
also has said that for a true 'sadhak', Who am I? will alone
do and if he wants only elaboration, he has to read others.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: nonduel on August 14, 2008, 12:47:16 AM
Dear nonduel,  I have not said that Michael Langford has said
anything contrary to what Bhagavan said.  I merely said that
he is rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's teachings, as
many others have done.  In this context,  David Godman,
Sri Sadhu Om have also elaborated on Bhagavan, but with
new insights.  I have already written in some other post,
that, Who am I? is alone adequate for any seeker.  David
also has said that for a true 'sadhak', Who am I? will alone
do and if he wants only elaboration, he has to read others.


My dear Subramanian,

I am happy to see you are back.  That post was in no way addressed to you or any others. I just went and read a lot of what is said on his web site and said what I thought. I sure wasn't trying to convince or contradict anyone. Just my humble opinion which, of course, anyone has the right to disapprouve.

Glad to read your posts again.

Namaste
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 14, 2008, 10:25:29 AM
Dear nonduel,  I am happy to read your posts.  The forced
silence, I had, was to read some books like GVK and Padamalai.
I did not say that Michael contradicted Bhagavan.  I only
said that he was rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's
teachings, which have been done many others.  Who can
add or deduct anything from what Bhagavan Ramana had
said.  Incidentally, are you still eager to have a living Guru?
The living Gurus are going to Kashmir to solve problems!
But Bhagavan did not move out of Tiruvannamalai, because
He was solving problems with His Heart.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 15, 2008, 12:22:48 PM
Dear srkudai,  Regonition of Awareness in other great
scholars is itself a step towards recognition of the Awareness,
the Self within. The only caution is " Beware of dupes".

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 18, 2008, 12:24:28 PM
Dear srkudai,  You are right.  Sri Sadhu Om says in his Path of
Sri Ramana, that many were at the feet of Bhagavan and each
one had a different meaning in His words. For example, Bhagavan
glorified Yoga marga to Gambhiram Seshayyar, but it does not
mean that this is His teachings.  He advised Babu Rajendra Prasad,
(who became later the President of India), to continue his karma
marga, and again, it is not that He advocted karma marga.  Simlarly,
He said to Krishna Premi to pursue bhakti.  All these four paths
are described in Upadesa Saram.  The point is that when one is
reading a person like Sri Suddhanada, we must keep in mind that
Bhagavan recommended all those things that are mentioned in the
book, -  to him, -  and not to everyone, since He was only for self-enquriy.   

Arunachala Siva.
 
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: nonduel on August 18, 2008, 05:27:37 PM
Dear Subramanian,

You have written on a very important aspect of Sri Ramana's teaching.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 18, 2008, 05:57:33 PM
Dear non duel, Thank you.  Bhagavan stressed different paths for
the seekers, depending upon his earlier pursuits.  He advocated
action, devotion, breath control and atma vichara to various people,
with a caveat that everyone should come to atma vichara at the end.
Again, in action, He stressed desireless action, in devotion, devotion
to the Self within, in breath control, concentrating on the Brahman
within and in atma vichara, the Heart.  In this connection, I like
Muruganar, Sri Sadhu Om and David Godman, for giving the direct
teachings of Bhagavan and the auxillary steps, side by side.

Sri Sadhu Om gives a beautiful example.  If one wants to go
to Vellore, on the east of T malai, and he does not know cycling.
He should practise cycling on the eastern side, so that he would
have covered some distance in reaching Vellore.  If he tries to
learn cycling on the west of T malai, then after learning cycling,
he has come back to T malai and then proceed west to reach
Vellore!

Bhagavan told Kavyakanata, who was the master in devotion and
action and breath control, to find out wherefrom the mantra japa
rises and then asked him to quell it there.  Whereas He told Mother
Azhagamma only to abhor the desires for good food, poppad etc.,
because she had already mastered devotion and only needed to
leave the unwanted actions to get tasty greens and poppad!

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: nonduel on August 18, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
Dear Subramanian,

You are absolutely correct and this is a very important thing to know when learning Sri Ramana's teaching. It also denote the great compassion, respect and Love that he showed to everyone coming to him.

In my personal case, I had read a few books of Sri Ramana's teaching a few years back and had gone elsewhere because I didn't understand the depth of his teaching then. I studied Dzogchen (Buddhism) for a while, looked at "neo-Advaita" teachers and still felt something was "missing".

I returned to Sri Ramana with Sri Sadhu Om. Finaly all the pieces came together.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 18, 2008, 07:41:24 PM
Dear non duel,  as T.S. Eliot has said, " At the end, everything
will look the same." 

I started with Camus, Kafka, Nietzhe and Sartre and Russel.
I went into Western philosophy, a lot of Indian scriptures, had
a stint  with Sri Satya Sai Baba, Shirdi Sai Baba, Sri Raghavendra
and Sri Sri Ravisankar.  I read astrology, numerogy and Chinese Torts.
Finally I took interest in Sankara and Bhagavan.  I believe I have
arrived. At the end of the road, what is there more to proceed?

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: nonduel on August 18, 2008, 08:36:04 PM
Dear Subramanian,

"I believe I have arrived".  Yes it's a feeling of being at Home again. A convinction.

Occasionaly questions arrise from the ego, the mind, like my post on prarabdha. I am happy to have people like you to help me sort out the small doubts arrising, thus I can BE STILL. It is like a work in progress where the mind will finaly be without any more question, and that will be the end.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 19, 2008, 11:06:23 AM
Dear non duel, Yes.  In our path to self-enquiry, doubts will
arise, and we have to seek the help of others to solve them or
find the answers.  The work in progress will then get a formation
of finished product, that is the Self.  There is a book called
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake, by James Joyce.  That
book has not been completed,  and people say that no one in
the world has ever completed reading the book!   James Joyce,
wrote three novels in his life.  The first is:  The Portarait of an
Artist as a Young Man.  The second is:  Ulysses.  The third one is:
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake.  In the whole world, there
is only one prose book (!) for which a key was written, (as they
would write for Sakespeare), and that is Ulysses. 

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: riktam on April 23, 2009, 06:57:04 AM
See the warning about him and his book and the "Awareness watching Awareness" method in http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/warning-about-quot-awareness-watching-awareness-quot (http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/warning-about-quot-awareness-watching-awareness-quot)

I quote from there:

"It is an erroneous distorted interpretation of Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj in general and of the Self Inquiry in particular."

"But worse of all, it assumes that the Self or as it termed there "background awareness" can be watched as an object while it is fundamental that anything that can be watched as an object cannot be the ultimate subject, the self, but is just another face of the "I" thought. Regarding the self, you can only abide in it, not watch it, i.e. peel off the onion to remain naked as the self."
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 23, 2009, 10:33:04 AM
Dear riktam,

Yes.  There are many like Langford, who have written incorrect
things about Bhagavan Ramana and Self Enquiry.  They not only
understand Bhagavan Ramana incorrectly, but also write out their
own " rotten theories " about Him.  One should be careful in
reading such books.  One another gentleman (see David Godman's
blog, old posts, in www.davidgodman.org) said that since Bhagavan
Ramana had no formal learning of scriptures, He must not have
self realized!  What to say?

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: amiatall on June 04, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
To my mind what he means by awareness watching awareness is abiding in self. It is not like watching an object but it is different word for just being. As everyone says, nothing can describe IT, so again someone just tries to touch the words as the moon and not the pointers to the moon. The best thing to try it and see it and accept it or reject it instead of reading opinions, in other words, it's all about experiencing, no?
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on June 05, 2009, 10:24:26 AM
Dear amiatall,

Many like Langford, Echart Tolle have written about self
enquiry and enlightenment, in their own words, and this
is their understanding.  Bhagavan Ramana is like an Elephant.
Many blind people are describing the elephant, and saying
that it is like a pillar, it is like a large fan, it is like a rock,
etc., A few only [eg. David Godman, Robert Butler, Michael
James] have understood Bhagavan Ramana correctly and
their understanding is in tune with the old stalwars who
had spent decades [eg. Muruganar, WHO, Yogi Ramaiah,
Munagala Venkatramaiah] with Bhagavan Ramana and have
writeen or spoke about Him.  Only people who have landed
on the moon can describe the nature of the moon and not
who see it through NASA telescopes.

Arunachala Siva.
 
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Akira on November 08, 2009, 02:23:23 AM
Dear riktam,

I agree with you.
I am sad to see that some people distort Bhagavan's teaching like this.

Langford confuses 'awareness' with 'mind'.
His method 'awareness watching awareness' is, in fact, nothing but 'mind watching void', which leads you nowhere.

Riktam, I understand you are not here in this forum anymore, seeing you have only one post, but I want to say I am happy to see your post.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Viveka on November 10, 2009, 05:08:04 AM
To my mind what he means by awareness watching awareness is abiding in self. It is not like watching an object but it is different word for just being.
That's exactly what I think, @amiatall. ''Awareness watching awareness'' is a very powerful method. Unfortunately, most of the people don't try it. Nisargadatta Maharaj talks about it in ''I Am That'':

Q: You use the words 'aware' and 'conscious'. Are they not the same?
M: Awareness is primordial; it is the original state, beginningless, endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change. Consciousness is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of duality. There can be no consciousness without awareness, but there can be awareness without consciousness, as in deep sleep. Awareness is absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, awareness is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of every experience.
Q: How does one go beyond consciousness into awareness?
M: Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore the very consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognised as the original, basic existence, which is life itself, and also love and joy.

M: The mind must learn that beyond the moving mind there is the background of awareness, which does not change. The mind must come to know the true self and respect it and cease covering it up, like the moon which obscures the sun during solar eclipse. Just realise that nothing observable, or experienceable is you, or binds you. Take no notice of what is not yourself.
Q: To do what you tell me I must be ceaselessly aware.
M: To be aware is to be awake. Unaware means asleep. You are aware anyhow, you need not try to be. What you need is to be aware of being aware. Be aware deliberately and consciously, broaden and deepen the field of awareness. You are always conscious of the mind, but you are not aware of yourself as being conscious.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: amiatall on November 11, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Can't tell anything about him, but some time ago i analyzed his website and what he says is not so untrue.
At least he explains beautifully how ego works its tricks to delude one from practice.
He quotes a lot from Guru Vachaka Kovai where Murugnar writes exactly about Self-awareness and how it is important.
The practice itself can be dangerous because not everyone can grasp directly what is meant there, many reads practice in subject-object relationship and that is what causes a problem.
He himself does not state that it is like subject watching object it is people who come and say so. But it is no other way for him to explain it better. Anyway, lets hope to some it will be very helpful and others won't get deluded by their own mind goggles.

Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Viveka on November 12, 2009, 08:34:13 PM
He quotes a lot from Guru Vachaka Kovai where Murugnar writes exactly about Self-awareness and how it is important.
I''ll give some examples for the people who don't know Sri Muruganar's book:

''432. Is it not because you are knowledge [i.e. consciousness] itelf that you are able to know the world? If[instead of knowing the world] you turn your attention, taking that Consciousness alone as your target,
It will Itself as the Guru reveal the Truth [i.e. Reality]. (page 119)

638. If, instead of seeing anything in front [of you] by the mind, you see by the mind the one who sees, all will be found to be oneself, the seer; then all objective knowledges will be found to be foolish. (page 181)

647. Do not look at this, do not look at that. If you simply remain without looking at anything, then by that powerful look at [one’s own] being [that is, by that powerful attention to Self, ‘I am’], you will become the
supreme reality which has the outlook of the unlimited space of consciousness [chit-akasa]. (page 185)''

The quotes are from GURU VACHAKA KOVAI, translated from the original Tamil by Sadhu Om and Michael James.



Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: amiatall on November 13, 2009, 05:30:51 PM
Wanted to add this powerful saying from the same source:

638.      If, instead of looking outward at objects,
you observe that looking,
all things now shine as I, the seer.
Perception of objects is mere illusion.

Grasping what is written here alone is enough to abide in one owns being.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: rideforever on November 25, 2009, 04:51:42 AM
I am interested in the "albigen.com" site that has been mentioned.

It seems like the author is very intent on providing clarity to the seeker, and this is why he is providing a number of different descriptions of a practice.   From his history he feels that lack of clarity of the instructions caused much delay.

It is good to have clarity, for something that is hard to explain.

Some queries have been raised about whether the techniques at "albigen.com" are the same as Maharshi's or will lead in the same direction.  It doesn't seem that way to me as it seems like when you are practicing you are guided to the direction.

In any case there is far too much difficulty in finding the instructions to Life and I am happy that someone has them so clearly stated.  I mean if the Bible really boils down to "I AM" then it would have taken me quite a few lifetimes to work it out.

It would be good if all humans were directed to a page of simple instructions called "The Instructions to Life".  No more long books !
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 25, 2009, 09:18:47 AM
Dear rideover,

The simplest book as far as I know, is Who am I? by Bhagavan
Ramana.  No quotes from outside.  All His experience.  This was
WRITTEN and given to Sivaprakasam Pillai and hence no different
versions, no dilutions due to lapse of time.  I read this book
everyday and it gives me the unadulterated guidance that has
helped me a lot.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Chuck Cliff on November 27, 2009, 12:22:10 AM
Quote
This was WRITTEN
  -- and the first answer was WRITTEN in the SAND: The nature of knowledge is sat-chit-ananda [being-consciousness-bliss].
Pillai copied it to his note book and added some explanatory comment. Ramana later approved Pillai's additions if the original answer was printed in bold.

What's important for me is that the answer was written the sand -- that just blows my mind out of the water!
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 27, 2009, 11:14:13 AM
Dear Chuck Cliff,

Yes. It was writtten by Bhagavan Ramana to Sivaprakasam Pillai.
In respect of ancient scriptures in Hindu theology, there were only
spoken words.  Vedas and Upanishads and Gita were also spoken
These gave rise to various rescensions in later centuries.  But
Who am I?  was different.  Take for example, the Bhagavad Gita.
It was taught among the battle noise.  Arjuna would himself found
it difficult to listen to it carefully.  Then came the various rescensions
and there could be many errors of commission and omission.  Who
am I? that way is blemishless.

The Bible was written,for example in Hebrew.  Then came the King
James Version and then the New English Version.  In translations,
many times the original meaning and purport is lost.  Is it not?

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Viveka on November 27, 2009, 08:18:41 PM
Dear rideover,

The simplest book as far as I know, is Who am I? by Bhagavan
Ramana.  No quotes from outside.  All His experience.  This was
WRITTEN and given to Sivaprakasam Pillai and hence no different
versions, no dilutions due to lapse of time.  I read this book
everyday and it gives me the unadulterated guidance that has
helped me a lot.

Arunachala Siva.
Well, if people are afraid of trying ''the awareness watching awareness'' method -I don't blame them: the world is full of false masters-, Ramana's Self-enquiry method is good enough because it leads to Self-awareness, through the agency of Self-attention. Sri Sadhu Om explains excellently Ramana's Self-enquiry in his book, ''The Path of Sri Ramana'':

http://www.notthisnotthat.com/resources/The_Path_of_Sri_Ramana_Part_One.pdf

I will give some quotes from his book (pages 137-138):

''Just as the correct meaning of the term ‘meditation upon Brahman’ (brahmadhyanam) used by the sastras up till now is explained by Sri Bhagavan in the last two lines of the first benedictory verse of ‘Ulladhu Narpadhu’ to be ‘abiding in the Heart as it is’ (that is to say, abiding as Self is the correct way of meditating upon it), so also, the correct meaning of the term ‘Self-enquiry’ (atma-vichara) is here rightly explained to be ‘turning Selfwards’ (or attending to Self).''

''In either of these two kinds of enquiry (‘Who am I’?’ or ‘Whence am I ?’), since the attention of the aspirant is focused only on himself, nothing other than Self (atman), which is the true import of the word ‘I’, will be finally experienced.''

''Therefore, whether done in the form ‘Whence am I?’ or ‘Who am I ?’, what is absolutely essential is that Self-attention should be pursued till the very end.''

P.S. Sri Sadhu Om Swamigal tirelessly practised Self-Enquiry in a remote house 'Sri Arunachala Ramana Nilayam' in the interior of Thiruvannamalai for 30-odd years, and scrupulously wrote down the difficulties faced by him in Self-Enquiry and also the methods by which he overcame them.

http://www.nonduality.com/shankar1.htm

Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Akira on March 17, 2010, 06:11:02 AM
A few only [eg. David Godman, Robert Butler, Michael
James] have understood Bhagavan Ramana correctly

David Godman, in his blog,  says that Michael Lnagford's method is correct.

(I myself do not think his method is correct.)


Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on March 25, 2010, 10:51:57 AM
I agree with you.  Once in a while, I disagree with David also.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: caat on November 26, 2010, 02:40:20 AM
Three years later...


ML published another book called THE SEVEN STEPS TO AWAKENING. Unlike the first book, this time no free download is offered. Also his Amazon store starts to recommend manifestation and materialization books(http://astore.amazon.com/powerfulspiri-20?_encoding=UTF8&node=32). See, money is still very important to him and the world is not quite an illusion as he claims. Read his Spiritual Business article: http://www.albigen.com/uarelove/spiritual_business.aspx to see how he contradict himself.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 26, 2010, 06:55:08 AM



Dear caat,

It is not uncommon among a few "devotees" of Sri Bhagavan
Ramana, to write books and in them include their own imaginations
too and sell them, to make money.  It started with Paul Brunton
and it is continuing even today.  Sri Bhagavan refused to accept
donations for constructing Mother's Temple and He forbid His devotees too to ask for donations. It took more than 15 years
to complete the temple.   This should be the first lesson from
Sri Bhagavan for all of us.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 21, 2014, 01:36:45 AM
Dear Subramanian.R

Can you clarify for me why you think Michael Langford's method is incorrect?
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: jacques franck on December 21, 2014, 03:26:37 PM
Pythagoras, yes the technique is good... if you understand really what he means.... instead I invite you to go to the bloc of Michael James and read and re-read about his post.... you will have a good and correct practice, and it is 100% Ramana...

http://www.happinessofbeing.com/articles.html#list

http://happinessofbeing.blogspot.fr/2007/01/awareness-watching-awareness.html

:)
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 21, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Dear Pythogras,


Watching awareness is not correct. How to watch awareness. Awareness is Self. Is there anything apart from Self to watch?

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: drsundaram on December 21, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
i endorse shri r subramaniyam.
Too many followers, countless come up saying they are conveying the preachings and teachings of bhagavan. i dont know how many are true to the core of originality as propounded by Bhagavan and i am  unclear whether if reading by some one's  whose popularity  is reasonably good / high whether I am  reading Bhagavan's only, as exactly they were told/written. this is because of number of authors both from eastern and western.. Om Namo Bhagavathe  Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 21, 2014, 11:06:03 PM
Dear Pythogras,


Watching awareness is not correct. How to watch awareness. Awareness is Self. Is there anything apart from Self to watch?

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian,

You said a few people who have understood Sri Bhagavan's teaching such as David Godman and Michael James. If you say AWA is incorrect, then how come Michael James says it is correct?

Michael James on AWA
http://happinessofbeing.blogspot.fr/2007/01/awareness-watching-awareness.html

Thanks.
Title: Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
Post by: Pythagoras on December 21, 2014, 11:11:06 PM
Pythagoras, yes the technique is good... if you understand really what he means.... instead I invite you to go to the bloc of Michael James and read and re-read about his post.... you will have a good and correct practice, and it is 100% Ramana...

http://www.happinessofbeing.com/articles.html#list

http://happinessofbeing.blogspot.fr/2007/01/awareness-watching-awareness.html

:)

Thank you for the links. I have just sent you a message.  :)